The Blogging Angels have been trying for a while to coordinate schedules with Jennifer Perillo, a very in-demand food writer and blogger, and the stars finally aligned. Unfortunately, they aligned less than two months after Jennifer lost her husband, Michael Perillo, very suddenly.
Jennifer’s posts about food have always been very personal. She never just puts up a recipe. There’s always a story that goes along with it, often related to family, especially her daughters or her beloved Mikey. Her blog has taken an even more personal turn lately: food writing has taken a little bit of a back seat as she writes about her late husband and her new normal in a way that is both raw and beautiful. But she’s been getting back into writing about food slowly, and her posts have been more eloquent than ever.
We sat down with Jennifer over some banana bread that Nancy made for us. Please join us as we talk about writing, grieving, friendship, and – of course – food.
This week’s links:
Amy uses Duncan Hines Premium Brownie Mix to make her brownies, and Jennifer loves them. There, the dirty secret is out.
Jennifer’s banana bread recipe sounds absolutely scrumptious!
Jennifer’s favorite butter is Kerrygold, but recommends Land O Lakes for us regular people who don’t have access.
Want to churn your own butter? Both Lefferts Historic House and Queens County Farm will let you.
Jennifer wouldn’t have met Gluten Free Girl, the White on Rice Couple, or Bowl Licker if not for the food blogging community.
Jennie’s “A Pie for Mikey” tribute to her late husband went viral, and thousands of people made this pie shortly after her husband’s death.
Life is short. Use the damn butter.
Nancy gave her Golden Halo to The Duchess of Fork, who posted a recipe from Jenny of Picky Palate for Oreo Stuffed Chocolate Chip Cookies. And no, you can’t substitute Trader Joe’s Jo-Jos or Newman-O’s. They have to be Oreos, because Oreos are the best.
Amy gave her halo to Danielle Wiley and her post on Babble’s MomCrunch about how to figure out rates for sponsored posts.
Jennifer gave her Golden Halo to Erica from Ivory Hut, Maggie from Three Many Cooks and Aimee from Simple Bites and under the high chair, who started Bloggers without Borders. Their first campaign was a college fund for Jennifer’s daughters.
And Rebecca gave her halo to Savvy Blogging for a post about high level planning and low level planning for your blog.
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Such a beautiful postcast. I so admire Jenny’s strength in the last few month. I was one of those bloggers that did not know her or her blog until recently. Her blog is so much more than just food recipes, her stories are captivating and so touching. She is an amazing writer and it would be an honor to meet her someday.
Her story with Mikey’s pie touched me so much. As a weight loss blogger sometimes you forget the goodness of food and sharing it with your loved ones. It made me see food in a different light, not to stress about it…just be healthier. Life is so much more important than counting every morsel. I plan to share her pie with my family come Thanksgiving. I’ll share it’s powerful story and the love associated with it.
I haven’t made the peanut butter pie yet either, I think Thanksgiving would be the perfect time!
Yeah! Love this. Now I don’t feel bad about making boxed brownies.
Oh you TOTALLY shouldn’t! Because everybody I know tells me my brownies are the best. If I can find a homemade recipe to rival Duncan Hines I will happily make them from scratch, but until then I don’t see the point.
Finally got around to listening to this…loved every minute of it!
I’ve listened to it several times myself. I just love how honest Jennifer is. And Nancy is cracking me up in this episode even more than usual.
Current circumstances have led me to believe that this Jennifer’s financial situation was been grossly and deliberately misrepresented by the BWOB project. The original fund drive was run ostensibly to prevent Jennifer and her daughters from being in am emergency situation- homeless and without health insurance, and apparently they were not really in need of any of those things. It was not to provide a college fund (not to mention dinner out every night, new furniture, new clothing, and monthly trips).
I am disappointed to learn the truth.
When I read the above comment I decided to try to take the high road and contact Petunia offline and give her a chance to retract her comment. However, Petunia left a fake email address. I have no choice but to respond here instead. And I would like to point out that the only reason Petunia knows anything about Jennifer’s situation is that Jennifer has been incredibly open and honest online about what she’s going through. But she doesn’t share everything publicly, and I’m quite sure Petunia simply does not have enough information to make these judgements.
I’m so sorry, Petunia, that the way in which Jennifer is grieving does not match your expectations of how a widow is supposed to act. But frankly I think you leaving that comment – anonymously no less – was just about the rudest and most cowardly thing I’ve ever seen. I wanted to reach out to you in a non-public way before responding to your comment on our site, and give you a chance to take it back, but you’re hiding. That tells me a lot about you.
Jennifer is my good friend, and one of the best people I know, in every sense. She is facing decades without the man she loved, the person in the world who meant everything to her. She has two small children to raise on her own, one of whom will only have fuzzy memories of her father and another who may not remember him at all. I’m crying just typing that.
Jennifer is also facing going on with only one income, and she’ll be dealing with all of the usual things that we all struggle to pay, plus extra childcare for her kids since she now has nobody else at home to juggle that with. And eventually, college expenses for her two precious girls.
I can tell you without having to ask her that Jennifer would gladly give up every penny she has, every dinner, every trip, everything if she could just have her Mikey back. Especially the furniture that she’s buying for a new apartment because she couldn’t bear to use the same things in the same space where she had been so happy with her husband for so many years. She needs to do what she needs to do to get through this, and I think your comment is incredibly heartless.
If you have a problem with what Bloggers Without Borders did, contact them. But you should also know that after they helped Jennifer, she turned right around and helped with their next fundraiser, because that’s just the way she is – even in her grief, with her wounds open and raw, she was giving back.
I can only hope that if you ever go through something like this, there’s nobody like you around to kick you while you’re down. And if you are unlucky enough to lose a spouse, I fully expect you to not treat yourself to anything nice, and to not accept any help from anyone else unless you are destitute, since that seems to be what you expect from other people.
I will be deleting any future comments you try to leave that do not have a verifiable email address. I will not let you further attack my friend, a real person, while making sure that you yourself have no accountability.
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When my husband died, I didn’t have the luxury of buying all new things because I couldn’t “bear to use the same things in the same space”. I certainly couldn’t afford to but $500 shoes, eat $300 meals and travel across the country. People were told she was LOSING HER HOME. That clearly was not the case. She got $70,000 for what? That’s almost twice what I make in a year. I too am a single mother raising two kids. She should have graciously refused, or given it to someone who was truly in need.
Jada James
Did Mrs. Perillo need $63K for traveling or because she was in danger of being homeless? Because this whole thing reeks. Tweeting about your monthly trips and your $650 boots is quite audacious. Why haven’t the people, who grossly misrepresented her situation, said anything about this? If I had thought I was giving to a good cause, but then found out I was merely supplying more Gramercy Tavern dinners and trips to San Francisco, I would be furious. Jennifer Perillo should give that money back. It was collected under mis-representation.
I think Petunia makes a valid point; that the money was raised under the presumption that she would be homeless, without insurance, and in dire straits. Somehow the idea of charity morphed into “let’s throw money at this semi-famous foodie person” I have my own theories WHY certain people pushed so hard for this fundraiser but I’ll keep that to myself.
Well, I have to agree with Petunia here. I understand that everyone grieves differently, and I’ve personally never been in this kind of situation, but I just don’t think it’s appropriate for someone to grieve by spending donated money on the things Jennifer is spending them on. If this is the way she grieves, then she should do it with her mouth shut. All of her tweets about going here and there, and buying this and that are nothing but slaps in the faces of those generous enough to “help her out”.
Even if the donated money IS in a college fund, and it’s not actually the money she’s buying all of this stuff with, if she hadn’t been donated money at all would she be spending as frivolously ? No, she’d most likely be using it for necessities. You know, like food, bills, etc.
Seeing as you are good friends with Jennifer, and judging by the response you gave Petunia, I know that I will most likely receive a scathing response from you. That’s your right as the owner of this blog. Just know that I am here to give my opinion, not to get in an argument.
I am constantly amazed how women can turn on each other in the blogger-verse. Use your inner filter, people. I have seen this time and again on various blogs – and the vitriol is astounding. I suppose this is where I would insert the infamous quote: “ People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.”
Or better yet, here’s some food for thought from former Secretary of State Madeline Albright:
“There’s a special place in hell for women who don’t help other women.”
I am in shock. How can anyone feel this way about a woman who just lost her husband? From what I have read on Jennifer’s blog, she loved him more than words can ever convey. Her loss has left her alone in a world that will never, ever be the same again. She has written of her pain, of her agony. Money is clearly the furthest thing from her mind, but I am sure she was incredibly grateful for the support given to her by Bloggers without Borders. It was an incredibly generous act from the blogging community, one that she has embraced, and I am shocked that you would discredit Jennifer. I have read all her blog posts and have thought so often, why her? What if that happened to me?
I want to hug her everyday. She and her children need our support and encouragement, not blasphemy and vitriol which is what you are spreading, Petunia, Jada and Kristi. Shame on you and check your facts before you spread such dreadful, false rumors. Take a step back, and put yourself in her shoes. She is taking one day at a time and trying to get on with her life. It will never be the same, and like Amy said, she would do ANYTHING to bring him back. But she can’t and how care you all knock her for trying to move on. She is a widow now, a single mother. Why make it harder than it already is for her?
Everyone has their own way of grieving. When she’s sad and expresses herself on Twitter or on her blog, Jennifer gets back sentiments of support, assuring her that she’s not alone, that life will improve in time. What in the world is wrong with that?
I’m appalled that anyone can dare criticize how Jennifer is grieving or how she is making her life into a new sort of normal. The fact is she lost the love of her life and anyone who can pass judgement on her without knowing her situation is plain heartless. How anyone can say such things about someone who’s lost so much just makes me sick
Like I said I only know Jennifer through her words. All I see is a woman using all her strength to get through each day with her girls. She should be respected and shown compassion.
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I agree that Jennifer does have the right to grieve in her own way, and there’s nothing wrong with traveling or spending her own money how she sees fit.
The problem is that people were led to believe that she and her daughters were in immediate financial crisis. People donated $70k because it was implied that they were losing their health insurance and their home! It’s evident from her tweets that she’s not only not in any financial crisis, but that she has plenty of disposable income and is probably much better off than many of the people who donated. I think it’s morally wrong to trick people into donating money. She should have returned it to the donors or given it to charity.
I agree with Petunia. We were told, in no uncertain terms, that she was in danger of losing her house and not being able to pay her bills/continue with her chosen career. Now, she is buying clothes, fancy restaurant meals, going on trips, etc. OF COURSE people are angry – they were duped into donating time/money for a big fat lie. Jennifer needs to give the money back to BWOB today, so that it can go to people who truly need it.
Clearly some of the commenters have never experienced a loss as profound and all encompassing as Jennifer. Unless you have physically walked in her shoes you have no right to pass judgement on her- and seriously folks- do you have any idea of her taxes, her accounting books– what goes on day to day in her life- you read a blog and get but a skimming of her experience and passing judgement on that well it reflects on just how much hostility you have in general. If you honestly knew Jennifer , for the wonderful woman , mother and wife she is- you would never dare raise your voice in this kind of hatred for her. really shame on you. Oh and remember Karma- it’s a BITCH.
You’re right… I’ve never walked in her $800 boots. Perhaps she’d like to step out in my $13 Keds? Shauna Ahern told people she was LOSING HER HOME. I wonder how many would have donated to her “fund” if they had known the truth of Ms. Perillo’s financial situation?
And don’t you DARE tell me I don’t know her situation. I do. The love of MY life was killed two years ago by some stupid teenager who thought he was too macho to turn over the keys.
Perhaps if we could know exactly what Ms. Perillo’s financial situation is? Could someone please let us know and also what she is planning on doing with the donated $70k? I think that would go a long way towards easing people’s minds.
Jennie’s financial situation was misrepresented to the foodie blogging community, and there needs to be some accountability for this. I won’t even mention who stood to personally gain by promoting the charity.
Really? Because I’m appalled that people donated money to a person in a rough situation under false and grossly embellished pretenses. I’m appalled that my friend died of breast cancer and we’re trying to get money together to get her a proper head stone while Jennifer Perrilo eats dinner at the Gramercy Tavern in $500 boots while collecting over SIXTY THOUSAND DOLLARS, MORE THAN AN AVERAGE YEARLY SALARY.
That’s appalling.
This isn’t about grieving and I am sorry for her loss, however, the food blogging community GRIFTED for this woman and it really sucks. It also sucks that people can’t ask questions about the reasoning there was even a benefit drive for a person who has means in the first place.
You are all hypocrites and liars. That is your reality and you suck. FWIW.
As a blogger who donated directly to the BWB fund. I feel the frustration coming from many of the comments here. I can honestly say that many of us who donated feel lied to about Jenny’s real need for this money. Also, not that it was expected, but a public acknowledgment or thanks would have been nice. I think that the blogging community came together to help someone in a place of sorrow and , presumably, in need is a wonderful thing. However, it is very clear to many of us that those who spearheaded this effort for J have thier own selfish motives as well. I wonder how much money would have been raised had J not been a “very in demand food writer and blogger” not to mention food editor. That said, I only wish the best for J and her girls. I don’t think J is as much at fault here as those who wanted to use this as an opportunity to publicize their own blogs.
Yes, people can grieve however they want to grieve. That’s their business. But the falsehoods and exaggerated claims of impending bankruptcy, foreclosure, and loss of health insurance that ginned up this giant fundraising campaign is and was totally shady. Piss off enough people and someone, undoubtedly, will call in a tip to the IRS and BWOB’s 501c3 status will get yanked.
When i was in college, my parents offered to pay the expenses of my closest friend so that she could spend her junior year abroad. Her family couldn’t afford it, mine could. They bought her a plane ticket, and paid her rent and for her books. Halfway through the year, she skipped school, went to Greece with her boyfriend for two weeks, then wrote my parents asking for more money – without mentioning her little island escapade.
I was furious. I felt duped. I ratted her out. And you know what my mother said? “We gave her that money, and once we did, it was hers to spend as she pleased.” She wasn’t mad at all.
Let that be a lesson to you.
If you don’t like the way Jen is spending her money, fine. Don’t like it. Then you shouldn’t have given her any in the first place. Not that it seems that any of you commenting gave her anything at all. You just sound furious on principal. Or perhaps furious out of jealousy.
I have read and re-read the BWOB post about Jennie – and while it does say she might have to pay her mortgage in one lump sum – it doesn’t say she’s unable to do so. Ditto with the insurance. Perhaps that was implied. Or perhaps all that was implied was the truth: it will be a financial hardship. And that, it certainly would have been.
And while perhaps it seems to some of you…unseemly — that Jennie is spending money on the things she is, all I can say is – Are you People Serious? Who knows how any of us would react when faced with such a shocking, life changing loss? Maybe it’s retail therapy. Maybe it’s a way to make herself feel a little bit happy while she’s a whole lot sad. Maybe – and I have no idea – maybe she’s over-spending as a by-product of her grief, and rather than bashing her for it, you should have sympathy that she’s squandering away money she may need later.
None of us has any idea. And that’s the point. We can’t know her situation. But these comments – you feel duped, you feel lied to, all of the rest of us “suck.” Well, that all sounds pretty certain, doesn’t it? Pretty 100% sure that you know the truth. Really?
I see that one woman, Jada, has lost her husband like Jennie did, and my heart goes out to you. It sounds like you suffered financial hardship as well. And it must have been – must be – extremely difficult. I am sorry for both your loss and your struggles. But the fact is, you haven’t walked in Jennie shoes. Just has she hasn’t walked in yours. Everyone experiences grief differently.
Bottom line for me: no one doubts that Jennie is grieving. No one doubts that life will be more difficult for her now that Mikey is gone. And no one was coerced into giving her money. People gave to help her — whether or assuage her grief or pay her mortgage — doesn’t really matter. By complaining about how the money was spent, how much she needed it – you do an injustice not just to her and her grief, but to those who gave. Those whose hearts filled with compassion for someone in her time of greatest sadness.
So sad that that compassion had so many judgements and strings attached.
Though it does seem like those complaining here, never gave, and never showed compassion in the first place. You certainly aren’t showing any now.
If your parents were ok with their hard-earned money funding a friend’s spending spree instead of helping with your tuition, they have a warped sense of priorities.
Eventually enough people are going to learn the truth behind this fundraiser.
I happen to be very fond of Jennie and my heart goes out to her for her loss, so I don’t want this comment to come across as insensitive, but I also strongly believe in freedom of speech. I disagree with what some people have said in the comments here, but don’t we all have the right to say them without being attacked, regardless of how favorable they are?
Grief might be a personal matter, but in Jennie’s case, regardless of whether she asked to be placed in the public eye, the topic of her grief was promoted widely via national media and therefore it became a topic for public discussion. As with any discussion, people are likely to have differing opinions. Grief is private, but unfortunately for Jennie, her situation was not kept private.
I understand why some of these comments would be upsetting but I think that verbally attacking people because their opinion differs from the popular one is a very slippery slope.
I almost did. Luckily I lost, or I’d be filing a 501-3C complaint with the IRS.
It’s not that she was given money, it’s not even about Jennifer. The people raising money made her situation seem very dire. I couldn’t imagine losing my husband and then being in danger of being homeless or destitute, which is what Shauna Ahern and others made it out to be with Jennifer.
That wasn’t the case.
I make less than half of what she was gifted a year and I was ready to pay over $100 for one of the items up for bid. $100 is a lot of money for me and my family. The last time we spent that much on a dinner out was in 2008.
With all of the movements going on shining a big, bright light on the disparages and unfairness of the distribution of wealth in this country, I think the people who were lied to about Mrs. Perriillo’s financial situation, have a right to feel outraged. As i write checks for my mortgage, student loan debt, energy bills, insurance deductibles, and I look at my balance and wonder how many coupons I can struggle to find so I can pay my grocery bill and have enough for gas in the car, I will sleep well knowing that Jennifer Perrillo’s kids can go to college without debt, while their mother dines in one of America’s poshest restaurants and stays clad in designer clothes.
I feel duped by this community and it leaves me to wonder why this woman was given so much, and people like these were given so little, while they clearly need it?
http://eat2gather.net/2011/10/food/31-days-6-loss-an-update-on-bwob-joplin/
This became a public matter as soon as the people behind this went to the media and made it public. now people who have concerns and disagree with their methods and they have a right to. We who feel this way deserve more of an answer than “HOW DARE YOU! HOPE YOUR HUSBAND DIES!”
With non-profits, impression management is everything. You all need some serious PR out there, because if I had won that bid, I would be filing a complaint, and I may not be the only who feels that way.
What I don’t understand is why NO ONE is talking about that money! Shauna Ahern has yet to mention it! Why isn’t Jennifer Perillo talking about it to the people who donated? Both of them could easily clarify the situation and admit that the wording of the announcement was misleading. Where are these people? I wish we could write to them and ask for an explanation but I’m afraid we would be rejected.
There is so much anger here – and I’m not sure why it’s aimed at Jennifer. I hope the Bloggers Without Borders founders clarify how the money will be spent, but I can tell you that this was not some scam. One of the things we talk about on the podcast is how unbelievably supportive the social media community – and the food community in particular – were of Jennifer. In the days and weeks following Mikey’s death those of us close to her were flooded with emails asking how they could help – not because they thought she’d lose her home or be penniless, but because they wanted to show her they cared in some way. I spoke to Jennie a lot about what she would like people to do – where to give, what made sense – and overwhelmingly her biggest priority was to make sure her daughters were going to be OK – in every way.
Like many women unfortunately, Jennie did not know what the state of her finances were when her husband suddenly died. And no matter what, when you live on 2 incomes and have certain plans made for your future, including saving for your children’s college tuition – everything changes when you lose the main income. She had real fear on so many levels. The women at BWOB wanted to alleviate some of that fear and give her the means to prepare financially for what her new future looks like. There was no malicious intent. And the anger and bitterness now being slung is bizarre.
If you want your money back ask for it back.
As for dinners out at fancy restaurants or taking a trip – first of all she’s a food blogger in NYC – those meals are free and usually easy to come by. That’s just the truth and reality of being an NYC blogger. Second, working vacations and staying with friends to see people who care about you and want to see you during this hard time is not something terrible or evil. She isn’t hiring private jets and shooting off all over the world with that money. She hasn’t even seen any of that money yet. So, why this is an issue I don’t know. If you don’t agree with how she’s choosing to deal then don’t follow her on twitter or her blog. And if you gave money and want it back then ask for it.
We’re not aiming this solely at Jennifer, so you can drop that excuse RIGHT NOW. Shauna was the one using this charity as an excuse to promote her blog.
It sounds like you have a HUGE personal gripe against Shauna, who I’ve never met so I can’t speak to that one way or another. But, you should certainly take your anger over there since that is where it is aimed.
People probably sound angry because they feel they were duped. Jennifer, Shauna Ahern (I don’t have a personal beef against her, but she’s listed as the project initiator–she should take some responsibility!), and all the Bloggers Without Borders people should have taken the time to find out answers about Jennifer’s financial situation before putting out a plea for actual cash gifts. Or they could have been more circumspect and asked for donations specifically to a college fund for the girls, or to Mikey’s favorite charity to show Jennifer how much they cared.
I lost my father to a sudden and unexpected heart attack myself when he was far too young, and I saw my widowed mother–who had NO outside income at all, much less income from blogging plus (according to you) free meals from high-end restaurants–struggle with her changed circumstances. I know how horribly painful and disorienting it all can be and my heart goes out to Jennifer and her daughters. But people are raising valid questions about this effort and the fact that she has experienced a tragic loss doesn’t mean that she AND the fundraiser organizers shouldn’t act with integrity when they are playing on the compassion and generosity of other people.
Well, there is a huge difference between “Somebody lost her husband and it would be nice for the blogging community to take a collection for final expenses” and “She’s about to lose her house and health and health insurance and blogging job and her kids could be out on the streets!” The difference is in tens of thousands of dollars.
The reason so many people have chosen this space for their questions and complaints is because this is the first place where anyone connected to the fundraiser has acknowledged what the money is being used for.
It looks like BWOB has posted today with information regarding how much was raised, and what’s being done with it. I personally feel that the post is BS, and I think they should be called on it. I’m encouraging anyone who has posted here about how unhappy they are with the way this was run, to head on over to this post and continue this discussion.
http://www.bloggerswoborders.org/2011/10/a-fund-for-jennie-the-final-update/
We don’t know Jennifer’s situation, and we are in no position to judge. It’s easy to judge when you are a bystander who is not close to the people involved. Jennifer is a dear friend of mine who is one of the most generous, giving people I know. We all grieve in different ways. Didn’t we learn that lesson when America harshly judged Jackie Kennedy for not crying publicly at President Kennedy’s funeral? Jennifer and her daughters face financial hardship for years to come. That is to be expected when a family loses an income and is forced to face grief and loss and heartache. Jennifer is managing the best she can, and we have no business judging how she lives. Would people feel better if this young widow and her daughters were living destitute and eating Ramen noodles? Would people feel better about themselves and their good deeds if Jennifer were the picture of poverty? We give because we want to and choose to, not because it gains us points. What ever happened to the simple act of giving with no strings attached? Don’t be so hard on Jennifer. She’s been through enough and isn’t behind any mastermind plan to dupe people and boost her own brand. Jennifer simply doesn’t operate that way.
My thoughts exactly. What is wrong with people? Losing her husband isn’t bad enough for them. She only deserves the money if she and her children are destitute? It’s like these people were sad to hear that her financial situation wasn’t as bad as they thought. Personally, I was relieved and happy. My father gave me things for years with strings attached. It was an awful way to live. I don’t understand why people give and then use it as an excuse to judge the receiver and hold it over their heads. If your gifts come with conditions then don’t give.
If you read what people are saying, it’s not that she doesn’t deserve money or that it’s even Jennifer’s fault. BWOB made it seem like she was going to be bankrupt and homeless, which she clearly wasn’t. That is what people are angry about, they feel like the entire situation was misrepresented and blown out of proportion and now she gets $70,000. That’s more than most people make in a year.
Also the fact that she hasn’t addressed receiving the money anywhere or even said thanks is a big issue.
Hi everyone, I’d like to point out (again) that our site had nothing to do with the fundraising. Nothing. The sum total of our involvement with Bloggers Without Borders is the link in this post. I’m not saying this to condemn them or defend them, just to point out that the calls for clarification of the fundraiser and suggestions that we get better pr for the fundraiser and the anger directed at the fundraiser are likely not being heard by anyone who actually had anything to do with the fundraiser. You’re not getting any explanation from us about the fundraiser because…we are not Bloggers Without Borders.
Bloggers Without Borders just put up a post about Jennifer’s fundraiser, so I suggest that if you actually want to voice an opinion about the fundraiser in a place that makes more sense, you go there. http://www.bloggerswoborders.org/2011/10/a-fund-for-jennie-the-final-update/
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